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> <channel><title>Comments on: Ban Antibiotics and Save Money</title> <atom:link href="http://eliminatethemuda.com/2010/03/ban-antibiotics-and-save-money/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://eliminatethemuda.com/2010/03/ban-antibiotics-and-save-money/</link> <description>Where we prove that it is easier to save a dollar than to make a dollar!</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 01:16:38 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: The LeanLifeCoach</title><link>http://eliminatethemuda.com/2010/03/ban-antibiotics-and-save-money/#comment-4308</link> <dc:creator>The LeanLifeCoach</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 01:32:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://eliminatethemuda.com/?p=2790#comment-4308</guid> <description>@Roger - a voice of reason at last. I will admit to a bit of sensationalism if we can achieve your vision of antibiotic use.
The mentality that every problem can be dealt with a pill or a payment seems to lead to more problems than solved solutions. We need to stop searching for the easy or politically correct answers and begin looking for the best answers.
Thank you so much for your input!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Roger &#8211; a voice of reason at last. I will admit to a bit of sensationalism if we can achieve your vision of antibiotic use.</p><p>The mentality that every problem can be dealt with a pill or a payment seems to lead to more problems than solved solutions. We need to stop searching for the easy or politically correct answers and begin looking for the best answers.</p><p>Thank you so much for your input!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Roger, the Amateur Financier</title><link>http://eliminatethemuda.com/2010/03/ban-antibiotics-and-save-money/#comment-4304</link> <dc:creator>Roger, the Amateur Financier</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 22:38:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://eliminatethemuda.com/?p=2790#comment-4304</guid> <description>Hum, interesting topic.  Being a biochemist, I can&#039;t resist the urge to toss in my two cents.  So, here we go:
Antibiotics most definitely should NOT be banned.  As Dr. T noted, they are among the most powerful (if not THE most powerful) methods we humans have yet developed to improve our health.  To suggest a complete ban on antibiotics (even if just in an attention grabbing headline) is a hugely flawed policy.
However, there does seem to be an increasing overuse of antibiotics, particularly in situations where you don&#039;t really NEED antibiotics.  (Any product that proudly proclaims itself as antibacterial or &#039;killing 99.9% of germs&#039;, for example; as Early Retirement Extreme noted, that just leaves 0.1% of the germs, typically the hardest to kill 0.1%, pissed off and looking to avenge their fallen comrades.)  That&#039;s not even getting into how patients end up getting antibiotics for viral infections simply by refusing to leave until they did; all that&#039;ll do is possibly make you feel better via the placebo effect while helping to make sure that the bacteria inside you start to build up an immunity.
Now, if we&#039;re saying &#039;ban antibiotic laced household products and encourage doctors and patients to use antibiotics as a last resort whenever possible, and then only for bacterial infections, being sure that the patient takes all the antibiotics to minimize the number of resistant bacteria around&#039;, then I&#039;m all for it.  Although, that&#039;s not exactly the catchiest slogan around...
.-= Roger, the Amateur Financier&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theamateurfinancier.com/blog/networking-done-right/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Networking Done Right&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hum, interesting topic.  Being a biochemist, I can&#8217;t resist the urge to toss in my two cents.  So, here we go:</p><p>Antibiotics most definitely should NOT be banned.  As Dr. T noted, they are among the most powerful (if not THE most powerful) methods we humans have yet developed to improve our health.  To suggest a complete ban on antibiotics (even if just in an attention grabbing headline) is a hugely flawed policy.</p><p>However, there does seem to be an increasing overuse of antibiotics, particularly in situations where you don&#8217;t really NEED antibiotics.  (Any product that proudly proclaims itself as antibacterial or &#8216;killing 99.9% of germs&#8217;, for example; as Early Retirement Extreme noted, that just leaves 0.1% of the germs, typically the hardest to kill 0.1%, pissed off and looking to avenge their fallen comrades.)  That&#8217;s not even getting into how patients end up getting antibiotics for viral infections simply by refusing to leave until they did; all that&#8217;ll do is possibly make you feel better via the placebo effect while helping to make sure that the bacteria inside you start to build up an immunity.</p><p>Now, if we&#8217;re saying &#8216;ban antibiotic laced household products and encourage doctors and patients to use antibiotics as a last resort whenever possible, and then only for bacterial infections, being sure that the patient takes all the antibiotics to minimize the number of resistant bacteria around&#8217;, then I&#8217;m all for it.  Although, that&#8217;s not exactly the catchiest slogan around&#8230;<br
/> .-= Roger, the Amateur Financier&#180;s last blog ..<a
href="http://www.theamateurfinancier.com/blog/networking-done-right/" rel="nofollow">Networking Done Right</a> =-.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The LeanLifeCoach</title><link>http://eliminatethemuda.com/2010/03/ban-antibiotics-and-save-money/#comment-4156</link> <dc:creator>The LeanLifeCoach</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 19:35:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://eliminatethemuda.com/?p=2790#comment-4156</guid> <description>@Dr. T - Thank you so much for shedding a professional light on this topic.
You raise intelligent points. No doubt antibiotics have saved millions, but how many have they killed or will kill? A complete ban may well be an extreme over-reaction but so would blind acceptance. In all fairness the problem does not lay with the physicians alone, parents that fail to follow the doctors instruction may have a greater impact.
Ultimately whether we prescribe correctly and administer correctly we still face the same problem. Bugs will adapt to the antibiotics introduced. We will continue to face the potential of a superbug.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dr. T &#8211; Thank you so much for shedding a professional light on this topic.</p><p>You raise intelligent points. No doubt antibiotics have saved millions, but how many have they killed or will kill? A complete ban may well be an extreme over-reaction but so would blind acceptance. In all fairness the problem does not lay with the physicians alone, parents that fail to follow the doctors instruction may have a greater impact.</p><p>Ultimately whether we prescribe correctly and administer correctly we still face the same problem. Bugs will adapt to the antibiotics introduced. We will continue to face the potential of a superbug.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dr. T</title><link>http://eliminatethemuda.com/2010/03/ban-antibiotics-and-save-money/#comment-4103</link> <dc:creator>Dr. T</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 22:04:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://eliminatethemuda.com/?p=2790#comment-4103</guid> <description>Egalitarianism can only take one so far. Scads of comments from totally ignorant persons add up to bushels of misinformation.
Only two things have saved more lives than antibiotics: clean water supplies and vaccinations. The idea that we should ban antibiotics because some physicians err when prescribing them is equivalent to the idea that we should ban automobiles because some drivers err when traveling.
The development of antibiotic-resistant organisms began immediately after the earliest antibiotics (penicillin and sulfa drugs) were used. An old medicine textbook describes how Staphylococcus aureus developed resistance to penicillin. That text could be used today just by substituting methicillin for penicillin. Sensationalists labeled it a Super Bug: Methicillin-Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus (MRSA). [Sounds scary, doesn&#039;t it?] There&#039;s nothing especially super about MRSA, and pharmaceutical companies developed entire new classes of antibiotics to combat it. If MRSA is such a bad super bug, why is it that most of us don&#039;t know anyone who died from it? I worked at a large VA hospital for over four years, and MRSA was associated with (and not the primary cause of) fewer than five deaths per year.
Yes, physicians should be less cavalier about prescribing antibiotics. But, please don&#039;t think that banning antibiotics will improve our health. Millions of people alive today would have died without antibiotic treatments.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Egalitarianism can only take one so far. Scads of comments from totally ignorant persons add up to bushels of misinformation.</p><p>Only two things have saved more lives than antibiotics: clean water supplies and vaccinations. The idea that we should ban antibiotics because some physicians err when prescribing them is equivalent to the idea that we should ban automobiles because some drivers err when traveling.</p><p>The development of antibiotic-resistant organisms began immediately after the earliest antibiotics (penicillin and sulfa drugs) were used. An old medicine textbook describes how Staphylococcus aureus developed resistance to penicillin. That text could be used today just by substituting methicillin for penicillin. Sensationalists labeled it a Super Bug: Methicillin-Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus (MRSA). [Sounds scary, doesn't it?] There&#8217;s nothing especially super about MRSA, and pharmaceutical companies developed entire new classes of antibiotics to combat it. If MRSA is such a bad super bug, why is it that most of us don&#8217;t know anyone who died from it? I worked at a large VA hospital for over four years, and MRSA was associated with (and not the primary cause of) fewer than five deaths per year.</p><p>Yes, physicians should be less cavalier about prescribing antibiotics. But, please don&#8217;t think that banning antibiotics will improve our health. Millions of people alive today would have died without antibiotic treatments.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Money Hacks Carnival #113 &#124; Learn Save Invest</title><link>http://eliminatethemuda.com/2010/03/ban-antibiotics-and-save-money/#comment-3960</link> <dc:creator>Money Hacks Carnival #113 &#124; Learn Save Invest</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 04:20:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
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isPermaLink="false">http://eliminatethemuda.com/?p=2790#comment-1648</guid> <description>@ Youngandthrifty - some of what I read would indicate that doctors in the U.S. are getting better about over prescribing. However, anectodal evidence would suggest we still have a long way to go. I only say this based on the fact that I have a relative with a small chain of daycare centers and she still sees wide spread use of antibiotics.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Youngandthrifty &#8211; some of what I read would indicate that doctors in the U.S. are getting better about over prescribing. However, anectodal evidence would suggest we still have a long way to go. I only say this based on the fact that I have a relative with a small chain of daycare centers and she still sees wide spread use of antibiotics.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: youngandthrifty</title><link>http://eliminatethemuda.com/2010/03/ban-antibiotics-and-save-money/#comment-1612</link> <dc:creator>youngandthrifty</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 03:41:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://eliminatethemuda.com/?p=2790#comment-1612</guid> <description>Scary stuff, MRSA is, isn&#039;t it?  There is only one antibiotic that works for MRSA and it can only be given by IV drip.
Antibiotics are everywhere, even if you don&#039;t choose to take it for an infection (scarily enough!).  They&#039;re in your beef because farmers give their cows antibiotics so that their udders don&#039;t get infected etc.
I think most doctors nowadays are trained to know that &quot;not all bugs need drugs&quot; and they are hesitant to prescribe antibiotics (often the course is not finished completely which adds to the resistance).
.-= youngandthrifty&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://youngandthrifty.ca/tfsa/questrade-tfsa-check-up/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Questrade TFSA Check Up&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scary stuff, MRSA is, isn&#8217;t it?  There is only one antibiotic that works for MRSA and it can only be given by IV drip.</p><p>Antibiotics are everywhere, even if you don&#8217;t choose to take it for an infection (scarily enough!).  They&#8217;re in your beef because farmers give their cows antibiotics so that their udders don&#8217;t get infected etc.</p><p>I think most doctors nowadays are trained to know that &#8220;not all bugs need drugs&#8221; and they are hesitant to prescribe antibiotics (often the course is not finished completely which adds to the resistance).<br
/> .-= youngandthrifty&#180;s last blog ..<a
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isPermaLink="false">http://eliminatethemuda.com/?p=2790#comment-1492</guid> <description>@Early Retirement - You are a scientist and you know this. I am not a scientist and it always seem intuitive to me. So why has the society allowed this to occur? Like yourself I have progressively build resistance to childhood allergies...until we took in a couple of rescue cats. Interested in adopting?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Early Retirement &#8211; You are a scientist and you know this. I am not a scientist and it always seem intuitive to me. So why has the society allowed this to occur? Like yourself I have progressively build resistance to childhood allergies&#8230;until we took in a couple of rescue cats. Interested in adopting?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Early Retirement Extreme</title><link>http://eliminatethemuda.com/2010/03/ban-antibiotics-and-save-money/#comment-1461</link> <dc:creator>Early Retirement Extreme</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 07:31:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://eliminatethemuda.com/?p=2790#comment-1461</guid> <description>It&#039;s really quite obvious. It&#039;s evolution in action. Kill 99.9% of all bacteria as the detergent ads proudly claim and you leave 0.1% of the resistant bacteria with no competitors whatsoever. It is quite obvious that this eventually leads to superresistat bacteria. Same with the immune system; here it is also obvious that an army that has never been in battle is more likely to lose the first one it engages in.
Allergy is another case in point. I was allergic to pretty much everything as a kid. This meant either drugs and inhalers or staying away from everything. My parents chose the latter. As I grew older, I was able to tolerate more and more and today I am almost allergy free. Conversely, I know people who took the drug approach and their allergies keep getting worse and worse which leads to more and more drugs and so on.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really quite obvious. It&#8217;s evolution in action. Kill 99.9% of all bacteria as the detergent ads proudly claim and you leave 0.1% of the resistant bacteria with no competitors whatsoever. It is quite obvious that this eventually leads to superresistat bacteria. Same with the immune system; here it is also obvious that an army that has never been in battle is more likely to lose the first one it engages in.</p><p>Allergy is another case in point. I was allergic to pretty much everything as a kid. This meant either drugs and inhalers or staying away from everything. My parents chose the latter. As I grew older, I was able to tolerate more and more and today I am almost allergy free. Conversely, I know people who took the drug approach and their allergies keep getting worse and worse which leads to more and more drugs and so on.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: &#187; In praise of the mystic Early Retirement Extreme: &#8212; a philosophical response to runaway consumerism</title><link>http://eliminatethemuda.com/2010/03/ban-antibiotics-and-save-money/#comment-1459</link> <dc:creator>&#187; In praise of the mystic Early Retirement Extreme: &#8212; a philosophical response to runaway consumerism</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 07:21:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
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